Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

02/09/2006 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS


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01:11:07 PM Start
01:11:19 PM HB354
01:28:56 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 354 QUALIFICATIONS OF ADJUTANT GENERAL TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 354(MLV) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 354-QUALIFICATIONS OF ADJUTANT GENERAL                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:11:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN announced  that the  only order of  business would  be                                                              
HOUSE  BILL NO. 354,  "An Act  relating to  qualifications  of the                                                              
adjutant general; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:11:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN informed  the  committee that  he  had consulted  with                                                              
Department of Military  & Veterans' Affairs  (DMVA) administrators                                                              
and based on their suggestions had an amendment to offer.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:11:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  moved that  the committee  adopt Conceptual  Amendment                                                              
1, as follows:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 12;                                                                                                           
          Delete "shall"                                                                                                    
          Insert "should"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 12;                                                                                                           
          Delete "and give preference to"                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:12:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN clarified  that the  new version would  read:                                                              
"the governor  should consider persons  with at least  five years'                                                          
service  in  the Alaska  National  Guard  or Alaska  Air  National                                                          
Guard."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ELKINS  commented that  he liked "shall"  more than                                                              
"should".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:12:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA inquired  as  to the  reasoning behind  the                                                              
DMVA requesting "should" as opposed to "shall".                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  explained that  the  concern  was  in regard  to  the                                                              
separation   of  authority   between  the   legislature  and   the                                                              
[governor];  the legislature  would potentially  be dictating  how                                                              
[the governor] appoints the adjutant general.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:13:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ELKINS opined that  if [line  12 of HB  354] reads                                                              
"should",  the  governor  wouldn't  be able  to  appoint  whomever                                                              
he/she  desired.    Therefore,   maintaining  "shall"  allows  the                                                              
governor to appoint whomever he/she desires.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ELKINS objected  to adopting Conceptual  Amendment                                                              
1.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:13:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote  was taken.  Representatives  Thomas, Cissna, and                                                              
Lynn voted  in favor  of Conceptual  Amendment 1.   Representative                                                              
Elkins voted  against it.   Therefore, Conceptual Amendment  1 was                                                              
adopted by a vote of 3-1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:14:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  explained that  the purpose of  [HB 354] is  to ensure                                                              
that Alaska  has an  adjutant general  who is knowledgeable  about                                                              
Alaska.   Currently,  the governor  of Alaska  is free to  appoint                                                              
any  citizen of  Alaska, without  other qualifications  to be  the                                                              
adjutant  general.    This legislation  attempts  to  remedy  that                                                              
situation  by  recognizing additional  guidelines  for  appointees                                                              
because  the nature  of the  job  requires substantial  experience                                                              
and  understanding  of military  operations  in general,  and  the                                                              
Alaska  National  Guard/Alaska  Air  Guard,  in  particular.    He                                                              
opined that an  Alaska adjutant general should be  selected from a                                                              
cadre  of  professional   Alaska  officers  who   go  through  the                                                              
military educational process with active duty military.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:15:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  COLONEL  MIKE  BRIDGES,   President,  Alaska  National                                                              
Guard Officers  Association, remarked  that the National  Guard is                                                              
unique among  the military services  because it serves  two unique                                                              
audiences.     The  National   Guard  serves   both  the   federal                                                              
government/commander  in chief when  "federalized" as well  as the                                                              
active  component of  the  U.S.  Army and  U.S.  Air Force,  which                                                              
provide  the  majority   of  its  [resources].     He  noted  that                                                              
depending  on  funding  and [resources],  the  National  Guard  is                                                              
federally  obligated to  be  equivalent in  training,  experience,                                                              
and capabilities to its active component peers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:16:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  COLONEL BRIDGES  stated that  the aforementioned  is a                                                              
major  component of  the [Alaska  National  Guard's] request  that                                                              
the Alaska adjutant  general be federally recognized  as a general                                                              
officer.    When the  Alaska  adjutant  general is  beyond  Alaska                                                              
borders, it  is important  that he/she  is equivalent  in standing                                                              
to active  duty general  officers and  adjutant generals  of other                                                              
states,  who are  federally recognized  as general  officers.   He                                                              
noted  that  if  the Alaska  adjutant  general  is  not  federally                                                              
recognized  as   a  general  officer,   there  is   a  significant                                                              
difference in his/her standing.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  COLONEL  BRIDGES  explained  that  in  regard  to  the                                                              
National Guard, Alaska  is unique in that it  has unique criteria,                                                              
conditions,  population, demographics,  and emergency  situations.                                                              
He opined  that it would  take a long  time for a  general officer                                                              
from  the Lower  48  to become  knowledgeable  about  Alaska.   He                                                              
opined  that   the  Alaska   National  Guard   Officer  Core   has                                                              
grown/will  grow  "high quality"  [officers]  and  they should  be                                                              
looked at first for adjutant general.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:18:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN, upon  determining that no one else  wished to testify,                                                              
announced the closure of public testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:18:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ELKINS  opined  that  [HB  354] is  a  good  bill,                                                              
except for the "should".                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:18:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA added  that the only  problem she  foresees                                                              
is  the [Alaska  National Guard]  not having  enough [officers  to                                                              
select from  for the  adjutant general  position].  She  suggested                                                              
that  the committee  hear testimony  on that  particular issue  in                                                              
order to  ensure that it  isn't making  it difficult to  fill [the                                                              
adjutant general] position.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  reiterated  that  he   had  talked  with  the  [DMVA]                                                              
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMAS  added  that   a  general  officer  who  is                                                              
originally from and/or  enlisted in Alaska should  be eligible for                                                              
the Alaska adjutant general position.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA surmised  then  that  enlistment in  Alaska                                                              
should be an alternative  to five years of [service  in the Alaska                                                              
National Guard or Alaska Air National Guard].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN,  attempting  to clarify,  stated  that  the  adjutant                                                              
general could be  an Alaska resident, knowledgeable  about Alaska,                                                              
who served  outside of  Alaska.   He then  reiterated that  HB 354                                                              
doesn't  require  that the  governor  [appoint a  general  officer                                                              
with at least five  years of service in the Alaska  National Guard                                                              
or  Alaska  Air  National  Guard  to  fill  the  adjutant  general                                                              
position].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMAS   opined  that  retired   Alaska  residents                                                              
should be eligible for the [Alaska] adjutant general [position].                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  inquired as to whether the  committee would                                                              
be able to  make [Representative Thomas' suggestion]  a conceptual                                                              
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN responded that he didn't think such was necessary.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:22:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMAS moved that  the committee adopt  Conceptual                                                              
Amendment 2, as follows:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 14;                                                                                                           
            Insert ", or began their regular service                                                                        
          enlistment in Alaska."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Conceptual Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:24:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  moved to report HB 354, as  amended, out of                                                              
committee  with individual  recommendations  and the  accompanying                                                              
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:24:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked whether  there's  a  need for  an                                                              
immediate effective date.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN responded that he was unaware of a reason.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  remarked   that  he  doesn't  generally                                                              
favor [effective dates], unless there's a need [for them].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:25:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA withdrew her motion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG added  that typically,  laws don't  take                                                              
effect  until  90  days after  the  governor  signs  them,  unless                                                              
there's a reason  for an immediate effective date,  which requires                                                              
passage by a two-thirds majority.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  COLONEL  BRIDGES  informed the  committee  that  there                                                              
isn't a specific reason for an immediate effective date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:26:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   moved   that  the   committee   adopt                                                              
Amendment  3, which  would delete  the  immediate effective  date,                                                              
thus deleting  Section 2.   There  being no objection,  Conceptual                                                              
Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:26:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA renewed  her  earlier motion  to report  HB
354,   as    amended,   out    of   committee   with    individual                                                              
recommendations  and the accompanying  fiscal notes.   There being                                                              
no  objection,  CSHB  354(MLV)  was  reported  out  of  the  House                                                              
Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                            

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